willowisp: (Angry)
Cat ([personal profile] willowisp) wrote2004-04-22 10:44 am

And So It Begins

[Provided no one else does first, I will posting a link to this to [livejournal.com profile] gaystr8alliance, [livejournal.com profile] green_stripe, and [livejournal.com profile] luke6_37. Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] ysabel for providing the link.]

A great deal of debate has been going on recently about the difference between civil unions, marriage, and the idea of "separate but equal". It's a touchy issue with some saying unions between consenting adults of the same sex should never be called marriage, people of the same sex who will only accept the word "marriage", and fence-sitters like me who would cheerfully let the various religions keep the word and let all of us more or less secular folks share the title with our BGLT counterparts.

US Governor Bush, when he proposed the amendment denying BGLTs the use of the word "marriage", did make some small noise about allowing states to do some sort of civil union setup which would give BGLT at least some of the more important rights which have been assigned married folks of opposite sex; things like power of attorney and so on. As early as today there was a post in a group I read about BGLT folk shouldn't get "special" rights to do with marriage. I'm not quite sure if the poster meant that they shouldn't get equal rights, or that they should and the rights shouldn't be considered special. Either way, those who have replied, last I checked, have all latched on to the sentiment but changed the emphasis; we/they don't want special rights, we/they want equal rights.

I was completely blindsided today, something which rarely happens due to my overly cynical nature. In all of the back-and-forth about marriage versus whatever other word(s) might be used, it seemed as if the other side was at least willing to allow at the very least "separate but equal" rights, albeit begrudgingly. Yesterday my first thought might have been "It wasn't equal back then, either".

Now, though, a state has taken this one step further. Not only are civil unions prohibited, according to this bill ratified by both houses, but the state reserves the right to nullify any contracts which purport to provide the benefits of marriage. Please note that this is commentary on a press release by a partisan group, and is angled as such. Once this hits the more commonly cited news sources I will re-link. The commentary also notes another thing which is troubling: apparently Virginia can decide which employees' families private corporations can insure.

Suddenly the distinction between marriage and civil union doesn't mean so much any more. And now it is even more important to keep Bush's mis-named Marriage Amendment from passing.

[Edit: Added some four hours after the initial post; thanks to [livejournal.com profile] torquemada for the link.]

And now, in a move which I imagine will have [livejournal.com profile] turnberryknkn more furious than even the Florida legislature banning recounts, the Michigan House has passed a bill allowing doctors to deny service to BGLTs. Hopefully, as a Logrus friend who doesn't have a journal pointed out, this is almost certain to be overturned once someone realizes that certain religions (Aryans, for one) would be able to deny those of non-Western-European descent. Or the first time someone on religious grounds refuses to treat a Catholic or something.

[identity profile] quiet-moments.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
Is it November yet? I want Bush out of office yesterday.

[identity profile] cougarpants.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
the scary part is that he has a chance of being re-elected

[identity profile] willowisp.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
Another thing to consider is/are the house/senate seats up for grabs this time around. Even if we can't prevent the US Governor from being elected (I refuse to say "re-elected"), at least having a hostile congress could take off some of the edge. On the other hand, even if Kerry is elected, he could be pretty much ineffective if 2/3 of congress is in the theocrats' pockets.

Unconstitutional

[identity profile] clubjuggler.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't this unconstitutional (US Constitution) under the equal protection amendment?

Re: Unconstitutional

[identity profile] willowisp.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The article said it was sent back once by the governor to remove some of the more egregious Constitution conflicts. I just updated this post; if Michigan has its way doctors will be able to refuse to treat gay patients and insurers could deny the patients coverage.

Re: Unconstitutional

[identity profile] clubjuggler.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Good grief. I wonder how many of those "Catholics" in attendance will now be refused medical care because their doctor things the pop is the anti-christ? :-/

Well, just remember that when the whole world goes mad, you can still relax with bubblewrap. O:-)

Re: Unconstitutional

[identity profile] willowisp.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd already thought of the Catholic angle. Sadly, it makes a double-whammy for two very dear friends in Mi who are Catholic and Lesbian.

Re: Unconstitutional

[identity profile] glorious-demise.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
sorry to interupt, but that bubble wrap link is the best ever

[identity profile] race-carrigan.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I am sad to have been born in Virginia. And completely sickened at that second article, about the medical care issue.

I'm not allowed to vote yet (I keep thinking about 2008), and the waiting is killing me.

[identity profile] agrimony.livejournal.com 2004-04-22 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Horrified. Absolutely horrified.

Minor quibble. It's the non-Western European Protestant backgrounds that the Aryans hate, historically speaking (of course, I understand that really they just hate everyone who isn't them). :) If you ain't a WASP, they want you gone.

[identity profile] willowisp.livejournal.com 2004-04-23 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
Oopsie. I have no idea why I put the exact opposite cardinal direction. Thanks for pointing it out, and it's been fixed in the initial post.

[identity profile] blackgryphon.livejournal.com 2004-04-23 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
If it didn't get so damn cold I would consider moving to Canada. Well I try to do my part to get these idiots out of office.

[identity profile] willowisp.livejournal.com 2004-04-23 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, come on. You survived winters in Utica; you can certainly survive those in Canada.

Andy and another friend keep telling me it won't get as bad as I'm envisioning every time I mention the "getting the hell out of here" maneuver. On days like yesterday it's hard to cling to their relative sanity. Although if US gov Bush is elected with a friendly congress (or Kerry with a 2/3 majority hostile congress), I may not wait for The Handmaid's Tale to kick in.

[identity profile] donotletmegetme.livejournal.com 2004-04-23 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh no, I don't even want to think about The Handmaid's Tale happening. That would be...just horrible, can't think of a better word.

[identity profile] turnberryknkn.livejournal.com 2004-04-23 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The Michigan House has passed a bill allowing doctors to deny service to BGLTs

(wry grin) Which our Michigan State Medical Society fought tooth and nail. Another day, another medical activist fubar...